There are many people who are absolutely certain of the "fact" that R1b and mtDNA H are Paleolithic European in origin based simply on the fact that they are found at high frequencies in Europe today, so the point does need to be made over and over that there is little, if any, evidence supporting that theory. Other artefacts commonly associated with such burials include copper daggers and buttons with V-shaped holes. Graves with Beaker artifacts have been discovered in the Brescia area, like that of Ca’ di Marco (Fiesse), while in central Italy, bell-shaped glasses were found in the tomb of Fosso Conicchio (Viterbo). Anthropologists have always understood this and "random drift" is a subversive PC concept that has no place in the interpretation of prehistory. Cremation was also common. Is this just a coincidence ? newtoboard, No one in their right mind would say R1b is not Asian. "Can the individual mtdna groups be associated with localities in any way that might suggest a migration path (albeit without a known direction)? The initial moves from the Tagus estuary were maritime. During the Bell Beaker period a border runs through southern Germany, which divides culturally a northern from a southern area. Although there are very few evaluable anthropological finds, the appearance of the characteristic planoccipital (flattened back) Taurid type in the populations of some later cultures (e.g. Well the chickens are coming home to roost. So the "Caucasus" in Oetzi is related to the "Southern" in Oetzi and not to the (non-existent) "West_Asian".Really!!! Legal Notice In 1984, a Beaker period copper dagger blade was recovered from the Sillees River near Ross Lough, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. And the case for ancestral R1b in the Balkans was based on STRs and which have been completely discredited as a valid source of data for this kind of study.IMO there were several waves of R1b at different times and talking about them as one is probably just confusing matters. The earliest British beakers were similar to those from the Rhine (Needham 2005), but later styles are most similar to those from Ireland (Case 1993). Otherwise we would never have evolved at all without the action of selective principles. Both the Western European and the Anatolian branches show extreme star-like, concurrent growth, but are separate and downstream of a - eventually - Balkan population. But my reading of the literature is that STRs are largely misleading in trying to work out ancestral roots and branches. That is our choice: we either acknowledge human differences in social policies or else we regress physically and culturally. Dienekes said:For the same reason that R1b is the dominant haplogroup in Mestizos who have a majority Amerindian autosomal ancestry: male-biased gene flow.Well per the latest study published by Manichaiku et al(2012) at K=3 Mexicans are 47% Caucasian, and 48% Native American. 2010). Also for those who are considering genetic drift, if Basques were drifting in their Y-DNA Haplogroups, then one would expect the frequency of R1b-M269 to have increased or decreased significantly in the last 1500 years, given the rapid population growth. Could M269 have entered Western Europe from multiple directions entering Europe from Turkey, Ukraine and by Sea all along the coastal areas ? has admixture inflated the frequencies or actually decreased the R1b frequency in N. iran (via R1as taking over)? Turek sees late Neolithic precursors in northern Africa, arguing the Maritime style emerged as a result of seaborne contacts between Iberia and Morocco in the first half of the third millennium BCE. >>How is that populations like Irish and Basque with such high levels of R1b have 0% west-asian ? Something on "Drift":There was a simple computer experiment with populations that start with 2 haplogroups. Physical and genetic anthropology If R1b was West Asian in origin, then how could R1b - but not the West Asian component - come to dominate western Europe?For the same reason that R1b is the dominant haplogroup in Mestizos who have a majority Amerindian autosomal ancestry: male-biased gene flow.R1b is associated with different autosomal components even if we discount West Asia altogether: Italians and Germans are both R1b dominant populations in which different autosomal components predominate.So, there is no real mystery: the original R-M269 people probably originated in West Asia, and a subset thereof moved east and north, and their descendants would have picked up additional components in Europe (Southern/Atlantic_Baltic). It first started in iberia. The 17 papers presented here offer a range of new and different perspectives on the Beaker phenomenon across Europe. Three migrations from India. I won't be at all surprised if Beaker samples turn up substantially "West Asian" in autosomal ancestry, both because of the ultimate origin of R1b and their distinctive physical type that has its closest parallels to the highlands of West Asia. Another site of particular interest is Ferriby on the Humber estuary, where western Europe’s oldest plank built boat was recovered. The connection with the East Group Beakers of Únětice had intensified considerably in LN II, thus triggering a new social transformation and innovations in metallurgy that would announce the actual beginning of the Northern Bronze Age. "Not just look like, and not just pre-Christian. They were subsequently widely adopted in other parts of Europe (Schuhmacher 2002), possibly showing a change in the technology of warfare. So what is it more likely that Basques’ autosomal West Asian got drifted away, or that Armenians’ autosomal European component got drifted away? Who knows, the Mediterranean route might be a good alternative to the Anatolian-Balkan one. Anti-migrationist authors either paid little attention to skeletal evidence or argued that differences could be explained by environmental and cultural influences. Classification of pottery in Ireland and Britain has distinguished a total of seven intrusive beaker groups originating from the continent and three groups of purely insular character having evolved from them. Some were used as reduction pots to smelt copper ores, others have some organic residues associated with food, and still others were employed as funerary urns. Perhaps Corded Ware retaliated in kind, capturing Beaker women. So you would expect there to be a tendency for a more limited gene pool for males leading to the dominance of one or a few haplotypes.And then there is the tradition of the Summer King recorded in literature. It is now common to see the Beaker culture as a ‘package’ of knowledge (including religious beliefs and copper, bronze and gold working) and artefacts (including copper daggers, v-perforated buttons and stone wrist-guards) adopted and adapted by the indigenous peoples of Europe to varying degrees. The denial of difference is regressive, decadent. Sure, they may turn up, but the present rationale for that seems flawed to me. Odd. Before sacrifice. (2005). Thus in parts of Central and Eastern Europe, as far east as Poland, there is a sequence from Corded Ware to Bell Beaker, but this is not the case in Iberia, France or the British Isles, where Corded Ware is unknown. A few burials seem to indicate social status, though in other contexts an emphasis to special skills is more likely. :) Voting for a model does not mean you necessarily agree with every detail its proponents have advanced. Bell Beaker related material has now been uncovered in a line from the Baltic Sea down to the Adriatic and the Ionian Sea, including countries such as Bielo-Russia, Poland, Romania, Serbia and Montenegro, Croatia, Albania, Macedonia and even Greece. "Random drift" allows them to pretend that none of that happened and that humans were politically correct in prehistory. Apparently given the distribution of ancestral clades they arrived by the Balkans. These sites are concentrated in northern Jutland around the Limfjord and on the Djursland peninsula, largely contemporary to the local Upper Grave Period. The widely distributed Bell Beaker pottery, the It is difficult to characterize the Bell Beaker as a absence of settlement, and the new physical type, thus culture in the formal sense. Overall, all these elements (Iberian-derived maritime ceramic styles, AOC and AOO ceramic styles, and ‘eastern’ burial ritual symbolism) appear to have first fused in the Lower Rhine region. - is no problem for an association with R1b with West Asian (dissocations happen! Race, ethnicity, class, status, intelligence, strength, good looks, marital competence, cultural capacity: all these are nothing or can be acquired by anyone. Are we wrong about the origin of the Bell Beaker culture? R1b-R M269 migration, Bell Beaker isolate French Basque comparison. The inspiration for the Maritime Bell Beaker is argued to have been the small and earlier Copoz beakers that have impressed decoration and which are found widely around the Tagus estuary in Portugal. wagg"AFAIK, the oldest R1b clades in Europe are found mostly in the Balkans (and actually older than most of the most frequent old R1b clades of west Asia, -> Myres et al. However blood type "B" allele is found in the North Eastern European- Mesolithic & Corded Ware, Hunter Gatherers of the … After 2000 BC, other copper sources supersede Ross Island. This simply means we have by far not sufficient ancient samples to draw any conclusions, here, except everything is consistent with continuity.This Bell Beaker locality is at the extreme NE edge of its distribution, and surrounded by contemporaneous Corded Ware. "k7b" "Southern/Saudi" component;1]Finnish_D-[0.0%]2]French Basque-[26.8%]3]Yemeni Jews/Saudi -[63.4%-64.8%]"k12b" "Southwest Asian" component;1]Finnish_D-[2.6%]2]French Basque-[0.0%]3]Yemeni Jews/Saudi-[53.8%-67.7%]. And so more isolated from migration a place is, so more dramatical aswell.Of course the idea of "drift" is not liked much. Another group found on Boscombe Down (nr Stonehenge) came up with readings that could either be from Wales or Brittany. And the western European sub-clades of R1b are 'downstream' to those in W Asia, hence 'younger'; whatever Busby or others might say about the STR diversityDr Rob,The point is, they are not downstream of those predominant in Anatolia. is certainly a possibility. Parsis (Pakistan) - 6.80%3. Irish food vessels were adopted in northern Britain around 2200 BC and this roughly coincides with a decline in the use of beakers in Britain (Needham 1996). A small R1b pop in Iberia that weathered the LGM there then later seeing a dramatic expansion after picking up pastoralism via Morocco is consistent with the archaeological record and mainstream DNA theory for most of the last decade. All-over ornamented (AOO) and All-over-corded (AOC), and particularly Maritime style beakers are featured, although from a fairly late context and possibly rather of Epi-maritime style, equivalent to the situation in the north of the Netherlands, where Maritime ornamentation continued after it ceased in the central region of Veluwe and were succeeded c. 2300 BC by beakers of the Veluwe and Epi-Maritime style. The study also found, via autosomal analysis, that the majority of post-Neolithic populations in Europe, including their ancient samples taken from Beaker culture sites in central Europe, are the result of a three-way miscegenation process between the Yamnaya; Neolithic farmers; and western European hunter gatherers who arrived in Europe during the Mesolithic. Perhaps CW and BB men were already into that before they came into contact, commonly driven by the basic competitive sexual instinct to procreate with as many women as possible and against the success of other males. I haven't* seen archeological evidence which strongly suggests a "northern route", at least not as strong as the genetic, but I haven't seen any archeological evidence in face of a southern route.Corrected. "No one in their right mind would say R1b is not Asian." In Iberia, there is no real population replacement, but a genetic mix between local population and the Bell Beakers coming from the northeast. I never thought of this use of the DNA samples before. The Amesbury Archer had an Alpine origin, but like many beaker folk, seemed to have been a wide traveller--his daggers were Spanish and French. The project's main effort is to survey ancient and modern texts and to extract excerpts describing various relevant events for analysis and mapping. The Late Copper Age is regarded as a continuous culture system connecting the Upper Rhine valley to the western edge of the Carpathian Basin. ", from West Asia to Portugal by boat, and then onto Germany.What a story! Also, there seems to be a bit of a tendency of a northeastern entry into Europe - not a Mediterranean one. We can't possibly know if R1b was particularly Bell Beaker. Presence of copper and bronze artefacts as well as stone battle-axes. Many barrows surround it and an unusual number of ‘rich’ burials can be found nearby, such as the Amesbury Archer. It is not. R1b folk intermarried with locals so R1b frequency got decoupled from autosomal genetic components. I was going to blame the SW Asian component in Western Europe on the Neanderthals; however, my ancestors are to blame. Indeed, beakers are just not found east of central europe. The Indian ARYA migration. Mazandarian (N Iran) - 4.8%9. Seems like people will never give up on the idea of R1b being European. Why do we need to dabble in science fiction? There has been some evidence of all-corded pottery in Mallorca, generally considered the most ancient Bell Beaker pottery, possibly indicating an even earlier Beaker settlement about 2700 BC. Or at least from the East along the African littoral?" Would you say it maybe even originated there? Perhaps this remark might help. Bell Beaker people took advantage of transport by sea and rivers, creating a cultural spread extending from Ireland to the Carpathian Basin and south along the Atlantic coast and along the Rhône valley to Portugal, North Africa and Sicily, even penetrating northern and central Italy. West-Asian is not present in Basques, and is too low in Western Europe to be related with R1b, except in Italians or Greeks, but that's more related with J and it's not Atlantic Europe. It has been suggested that the beakers were designed for the consumption of alcohol, and that the introduction of the substance to Europe may have fuelled the beakers’ spread. Danish Beakers are contemporary with the earliest Early Bronze Age (EBA) of the East Group of Bell Beakers in central Europe, and with the floruit of Beaker cultures of the West Group in western Europe. Landing in the Refugium by boat, and then spreading into Central Europe; but the original starting point has no West Asian. I admit, it seems very unlikely that the original bringer population of R1b had no West Asian component. Another evidence of the pluriculturality of the Bell Beaker phenomenon is that there were very distinct types of Beaker pottery in Indo-European Central Europe (the cord-impressed types, such as the "All Over Corded") and the Megalithic Western Europe (the "Maritime" type, decorated with bands filled with impressions made with a comb or cord). * LBK (no adna yet)* Plain diffusion and historical movements* maybe it was in some European meso h/g, but I doubt that explains the current prevalence.Are just a few. @ KurtiAtlanto-Mediterranid which peaks in Basques is not closer to West-Asian than the Balto-Slavic component. Beaker culture introduces the practice of burial in single graves, suggesting an Earlier Bronze Age social organisation of family groups. It is also found in high concentrations among Gypsies,Indians,Buryats,pockets in Africa.So why is not the "B" allele not found with any significant numbers in Western Europe[R1b] or the Saami, if it was part of a much older substratum, as evidence in the Baltic Hunter Gatherers? For me the most likely explanation for this important difference comes from the large difference in size between the British pre-Bell Beaker population and the Iberian pre-Bell Beaker population . Rather its subsequent spread further west occurred later, in the post-glacial period from a postulated South Caucasian refugium. R1b was detected in two male skeletons from a German Bell Beaker site dated to 2600-2500 BC at Kromsdorf, one of which tested positive for M269 but negative for its U106 subclade (note that the P312 subclade was not tested for), while for the other skeleton the M269 test was unclear. That's the non-trivial part.The Corded Ware / Bell Beaker division roughly parallels the R1a /R1b division, but also the centum / satem division of Indo-European languages, which is a curious thing.Charlotte,Curious, but mostly accidental, as we know pretty much for certain. Among the analyzed male samples taken from Yamnaya sites, however, all possessed haplogroup R1b. Well, I pretty much contradicted my earlier opinion with this. It makes a mockery of the whole process of association.The Irish have about ~10% of West_Asian component is about the same as other British Isles populations. In fact, three of the agricultural and five of the Mesolithic U5 samples are nodes with modern samples downstream."Exactly. Mobility and local evolution during the 3rd millennium BC, The Bell Beaker Transition in Europe, Laure Salanova, Maria Pilar Prieto Martínez, Oxbow Books. T1a1 appears to be ~15ky old (with the usual reservations), and even just the root of subclade T1a1a1 is widely distributed from Scandinavia and Russia to Anatolia and Morocco, with daughters spread to Central Asia and India (which is why I think the calculated date of 7ky for this one is likely underestimated). But original R1b population having WA does not mean they were the sole or even the main spreader of it.Note: the entire Megalithic is still a huge white spot on the ancient genetic maps. The Bell Beaker culture seems like a plausible agent for the spread of R1b-R-M269, but I am just more of the line of thought of (I think) Davidski, who seems to see R1b as having spread to Portugal (from whence Wikipedia, which may be a flawed source, says the Bell Beaker culture originates) from some other eastern origin Oetzi/Sardinian/Basque type. The Bell Beaker culture is understood not only as a particular pottery type, but as a complete and complex cultural phenomenon involving metalwork in copper, gold and later bronze, archery, specific types of ornamentation and shared ideological, cultural and religious ideas. However, even prior to recent criticisms and refinements, the idea that Iberian R1b carrying males repopulated most of western Europe was not consistent with findings which revealed that Italian M269 lineages are not derivative of Iberian ones. The site was located on the summit of a spur. The latter occurs at ~10% in populations that have almost no other lineages of West Asian origin other than R-M269-So let’s summarize, you are still in the exact same position you were back in 2009, when you were still arguing for the same thing even though you didn’t have evidence. The Balkans study I dont believe. When agriculture reached the very north of Germany, the HG autosomal component likely was already dominant in the farmers - with additional admixture later on in Scandinavia. Instead, quite different customs predominated in the Irish record that were apparently influenced by the traditions of the earlier inhabitants. The featured “food vessels” and cinerary urns (encrusted, collared and cordoned) of the Irish Earlier Bronze Age have strong roots in the western European Beaker tradition. We finally have 5000 year old YC dna in Western Europe of R1b...Wonder if it parachuted in from Anatolia. That remains true even in the most PC countries like the US and the UK: even here people do not marry in the "random" way that liberals would like. A northern move incorporated the southern coast of Armorica. Is it true?And is H5a really related to R1a? The dear blog readers here seem to be unaware that 90% R1b high Tchadians and Northcameroonians have 0% eurasianThe facts we have are: 1/Westasian component is deeply connected with the Northeuropean component2/Westasian component seems to be of a late neolithic developmentSo Basques could be very high in R1b yet lacking the westasian component because Basques are the result of an earlier migration before the breakup of the westasian component and its "brother" the northeuropean one, so their R1b is portrayed by their Northeuropean score, still drift theory still stands very well to explain that a folk high in X Y-DNA (with this X Y-DNA usually connected with A autosomal component) could be deficious in A autosomal component if we remember that 95%R1b-high Cameroonians not only lack the westasian (or even its brother northeuropean component) component but they even lack any eurasian component at all. There is no present day association.The present day distribution of this haplogroup has no association and the centre of Bell Beaker expansion doesn't seem to have a clear West Asian archaeological link, as far as I am aware.The only other candidate is J2, which occurs at trace elements in the British Isles and Scandinavia.Respectfully, the case for J2 association doesn't really seem less strong to me. "Consider the Cyprus article Dienekes has just posted about, and also the well-known example of the Cardial Culture. Looks like plain eurocentrism to me...A migration to East, West and South from a central position that was partially depopulated (perhaps due to geo events, etc.) How can this be, if mtdna U5 is not indigenous to the area? Beer and mead content have been identified from certain examples. @pconroyFor comparison, my (Assyrian) K=16 values:Caucasian 49.6%Baloch 20.9%SW Asian 18.6%Mediterranean 8.1%NE Euro 1.2%NE Asian 0.6%All other components < 0.5%Also, adjusting the T1 frequency list a bit, to include Assyrians (N=64):1. Middle Bell Beaker corresponds to Late Copper Age 2 and here an east–west Bell Beaker cultural gradient became visible through the difference in the distribution of the groups of beakers with and without handles, cups and bowls, in the three regions Austria–Western Hungary, the Danube catchment area of Southern Germany, and the Upper Rhine/lake Constance/Eastern Switzerland area for all subsequent Bell Beaker periods. The latter comprise Veluwe and Epi-Maritime in Continental northwestern Europe and the Middle Style Beakers (Style 2) in insular western Europe. I'm in the model T Ford of the R1b clan[Eastern European-Silesia] with Dys @ 393-12. The distinctive, bell-shaped clay vessels that inspired the Beaker folk moniker first appeared in the archaeological record in 2750 BCE, and became … The Danish Beaker period, however, was characterized by the manufacture of lanceolate flint daggers, described as a completely new material form without local antecedents in flint and clearly related to the style of daggers circulating elsewhere in Beaker dominated Europe. Plenty of people seem to be thinking that at least M269 is European. And, many of the nodes are still alive in (actually, sampled from) extant populations. In a tumulus the find of the extended skeleton of a woman accompanied by the remains of a red deer and a small seven-year-old stallion is noteworthy, including the hint to a Diana-like religion. Okay let's recap. A comparison of chemical traces and lead isotope analysis from these mines with copper artefacts strongly suggests that Ross Island was the sole source of copper in Ireland between the dates 2500-2200 BC. > R1b is a West Asian marker that came to Europe via the Mediterranean.>But obviously the Bell Beakers made it to Central Europe at a fairly early stage, so there was time for them to acquire North European influence, largely b swapping women with neighboring Corded Ware groups.-DavidskiId agree that r1b initially came to European from the middle east. In Denmark, large areas of forested land were cleared to be used for pasture and the growing of cereals during the Single Grave culture and in the Late Neolithic Period. Title: Bell Beaker; Date Created: 6th–7th century; Physical Dimensions: Overall: 3 11/16 x 2 3/16 in. Deal with it. With some notable exceptions, most Iberian early Bell Beaker burials are at or near the coastal regions. So the "Caucasus" in Oetzi is related to the "Southern" in Oetzi and not to the (non-existent) "West_Asian".But you seem to ignore what's not convenient in your Iberian continuity la-la-land. I have read about some interesting cultures that might show the migration path of R1b. Subsequent studies, such as one concerning the Carpathian Basin, and a non-metrical analysis of skeletons in central-southern Germany, have also identified marked typological differences with the pre-Beaker inhabitants. The same technologies were used in the Tagus region and in the west and south of France. However, more details on the strategies for tending and slaughtering the domestic animals involved are forthcoming. The enclave established in southern Brittany was linked closely to the riverine and landward route via the Loire and across the Gâtinais valley to the Seine valley and thence to the lower Rhine. The Beaker was introduced in Sicily from Sardinia and spread mainly in the north-west and south-west of the island. This was a long-established route reflected in early stone axe distributions and it was via this network that Maritime Bell Beakers first reached the Lower Rhine in about 2600 BC. "Except if Western European R1b frequencies dont actually represent real population flow but are the result of drift.Drift should be extremely lower in autosomal DNA if not absolutely none-existant in compararation to gender based DNA, because it bases on millions of markers instead of one single one. From the Carpathian Basin Bell Beaker spread down the Rhine and eastwards into what is now Germany and Poland. It makes a mockery of the whole process of association.I may be misremembering, but in the past I think there were attempts to reconcile this phenomenon (R1b expansion having some sort of link to the East) by saying "Well, the Basques are sort of some other minor group from the East who were just carried along, but didn't expand as much". Hopefully this one will be. Oetzi again was 22.3% Caucasus, you seem to ignore that, when it is convenient. It was explained in a different thread that K12b "Caucasus" eats up all of the K7b "Southern". For example, on previously TRB grounds, Corded Ware is not intrusive, and R1b there may have much older origins from the West (Megalithism or even diffusion from the LBK/La Hoguette mixing region).We need way more data points in space and time to be certain of things. The mechanism of its expansion is a topic of long-standing debate, with support for both cultural diffusion and human migration. I would imagine that history presents many examples of victorious armies seizing the women of conquered parts. A lesser known beaker burial from only 20 mi away (found in the 80's) had similar gravegoods, including gold hair tresses, and his metalwork was also from the same areas. When that bottleneck broke a very long time ago this population suddenly began basically colonizing the rest of the near world, its haplogroup R1b1 showing in proportion to distance, which seems to make sense as the size of the colonies would likely diminish with distance.But then I began reading that the academic consensus seems to be that "cultural influences" migrated with the R1b1 population from east to west, exactly the opposite. The "Celtic from the West", which I've read is edited by Barry Cunliffe and John Koch, who also wrote on the Celtic Tartessians who resided near what is now Cadiz in southern Spain. 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